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to New Labour
the unions continue to finance New Labour?
for ending all financial support and disaffialiation from New
believe that the only funding for any political
party should come from the state. In my view this could commence
the breaking of the link between business, the capitalist system
and the state and for once make the politicians accountable to the
people that they are elected to serve. CK
think they should be a campaign for ending all financial support
and disaffiliation from New Labour because this party does not represent
the interests of the working class.
SInce New Labour came to power the increase between the rich and
the poor has trebled They hypocritically talk about ending child
poverty here and abroad and then set about dismantling what is left
of the welfare state. New Labours international policy is clearly
seen in Browns trip to Africa and the subsequent talk of eradicating
disease and hunger across the continent this is a thinly veiled
disguise for recolonisation.
would also add that they have taken us into a war with Iraq with
the full support of the trades unions, which do nothing to stop
the eradication of the pauperising and destruction of the working
class at home and go onto encourage and applaud the destruction
of Iraq In fact I suggest that the working class should break away
from the corrupt and degenerate present trades union movement. We
are in the position we are in today due to the cowardice and corruption
of these leaders and the short-sightedness of the working class.
suggest what is needed is for the working class to wake up and realise
that it is up to them to fight to change things there is no point
in continually blaming leaders who have a proven track record in
betrayal and furthering there own interests above those of their
members. A start would be to form new unions with representatives
that truly represent its interests. LW
think they should campaign for ending all financial support and disaffiliation
from New Labour because of the attacks that 'new labour' is carrying
out against workers. Also the scapegoating of refugees and asylum
seekers is disgusting. The TUC should struggle for workers rights
even if this means breaking with labour. McN
you for your post. I agree with almost everything that you have
said here, but not quite everything.
agree that Lenin was soft on West European social democracy in his
'Left-Wing Communism: an Infantile Disorder', a case which I think
the Dutch council communist Gorter made well in his open letter
to Lenin (which I read in the Workers Dreadnought at the
newspaper library at Colindale, north London). I also think Sylvia
Pankhurst made some good points in the Workers Dreadnought
about why British communists should not join the Labour Party.
was always the position of the great Scottish revolutionary John
Maclean that the formation of the British Labour Party had been
a process that was dominated by the pro-capitalist ideas of the
Fabian Society. The Fabian Society, of course, had been set up in
1884 with the specific aim of opposing the influence of Marxism
on the British working class. I think Maclean was right. Both Maclean
and Sylvia Pankhurst were right to argue that communists should
uphold the political independence of the working class by building
separate communist organization and by *not* joining the Labour
I disagree with you is that I do not think it is a matter of principle
for a communist organization not to participate in bourgeois elections.
Here I agree with Lenin. It is true that the bourgeoisie set the
terms of debate in elections and therefore it is generally a bad
tactic to stand in elections. However, I do think it is a tactical
question. In my opinion, if a communist organization has the resources
and, crucially, has a well-researched perspective in its propaganda
for how the working class can go from where it is now to a stronger
position - a more revolutionary class conscious position which brings
it closer to bringing down the capitalist state - then an election
can present an important opportunity to get ideas across.
your United States perspective, I wonder if you could post something
about the positions that the great American communists have taken
towards the Democratic Party? From my experience, the communist
movement in Britain (and me) is not well-versed in such important
matters of American communist history, so your views and info on
this would be appreciated.
course workers should not throw their hard earned monies down the
"Labourite' (UK) or Democratic Party (US ) political sewers.
These parties represent the more slick wings of capital . Their
rule is really 'bi-partisan' working in tandem with the Tories (UK)-
or Republicans (US). Here in the USA , this is done by the AFL unions
with workers dues monies and 'political action funds'.
Probably similar to the TUC in the UK.
Lenin was proved wrong on this "critical supports for Labour
" in his vitriol against the left -communists back in 1920
in his 'Left wing communism ' diatribe v ia the historical track
record. How does a party that Lenin correctly said has "gone
over to the bourgeoisie" supporting
WW1 slaughter, (after Aug. 4th , 1914) become worthy of any workers
support, or especially socialists support in 1920?
is not (past) time to critically reexamine what has become like
biblical or talmudic dogma of so many marxists even up to this day?
sure in the UK, you have people tell you even now that even you
are wrong to not "give Labour 'critical supports' and you need
to 'go back and study Lenin in LWC- an Infantile Disorder"
probably for the hundreth time!
it not past time for marxists (materialists - and dialecticians
) to be a bit more scientific and critical , given the sorry track
record for workers interetsts using these tactics??
for analysis of running candidates in capitalist election circuses
at all. How does this raise 'class consciousness"?
not the TUC already been incorporated into the political state ?
Of course , it has helped both labour and tory regimes carry out
policy (of the bourgeoisie) for many decades.
goes for collaboration in home and foreign policy of the ( now reduced)
empire. New Labour has just been more blatant in doing this now.
In the UK , since WW2 , the army has been called out on British
strikers 17 times and 13 or 14 on these times , this has happened
under Labour regimes.
like the Tory-Labour 'democracy' of UK is similar to the Republicans-Democrats
rule in the USA, but for decades the big lies were that Labour was
'socialistic', here in the US, the Democrats apologists said (and
still do lyingly state) that the Democrats are 'friends of labour'
, the Party of the working people". Should not socialists be
able to dispense with these illsusions, not foster them?
think they should campaign for ending all financial support and
disaffiliation from New Labour because the day of labour representing
the working man is long gone, the socialist principles have been
swept away in a tidal wave of ppi pfi ppp, big multinationals are
keeping a strangle hold on the low paid, with blessings from new
labour, from a totally disgusted, ex labour voter.
the Israeli/Palestinian conflict be resolved by creating two separate